Tulpa.info - metaphysics

i also knew a lady who took part in an expirement where she was put in a compound with people for a few weeks and they werent allowed to talk or use signs and had to develop telepathy skills, when she first told me it seemed crazy but i believe it more nowadays

Flodos

To me it points towards some level of thought sharing being possible, which probably means there is some medium through which this information exchange occurs. A spiritual dimension or soul plane or whathaveyou

The idea of some non-tangible reality is basically the only thing occultists can all agree on hah. But yeah, that's a really common opinion to have'

But that different minds are like different languages and thus information gets scrambled heavily between them

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would be nice to split you in two rooms and see how long this would go for

probably not that far its not super accurate just weird enough to not seem like pure coincidence,

Flodos

But that different minds are like different languages and thus information gets scrambled heavily between them

exactly

In my view it's more so due to not fully believing & the general "it's impossible" vibe of modern society interfering but that's a valid interoretation too'

There is some old theories abouts the potential of a noosphere, basically enough people in an area will create a mental ecosystem where such strange things can occur. Materialistically this would be the internet, but from an occult perspective there might be something to the idea

Fazzie

The idea of some non-tangible reality is basically the only thing occultists can all agree on hah. But yeah, that's a really common opinion to have'

I don't subscribe to any religion or branch of spirituality myself, I'm just figuring this out as I go along xD

the way i see it is like bytecode, you can send the same ones and zeros to different computers but they will interpret them differently based on the encoding they expect

Flodos

I don't subscribe to any religion or branch of spirituality myself, I'm just figuring this out as I go along xD

That's fair haha don't worry! There's no shame in not knowing, after all.

I figure it's the way to have the least amount of expectations interfering or influencing my observations

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the way i see it is like bytecode, you can send the same ones and zeros to different computers but they will interpret them differently based on the encoding they expect

That's how I would describe it too yeah

no shame in not knowing at all, just be careful of deluding yourself that you do

It was really hard to decode any information

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no shame in not knowing at all, just be careful of deluding yourself that you do

That's exactly why I want other perspectives on my experiences

Something that I like to do is to clear expectations often'

I like to imagine the brain as a machine and our "souls" as signals it picks up. If your machine is damaged it obviously won't pick up the signal right, and in the case of magick or telepathy those signals can be warped or scattered by the time they reach you

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no shame in not knowing at all, just be careful of deluding yourself that you do

i dont see it as pure telepathy in the traditional sense, its scientifically proven that our brain waves travel outside our brain and i think they can interact with other brains is all, the extent is rather minimal since their amplitude by that point will have greatly diminished compared to ue internal brain waves

Flodos

That's exactly why I want other perspectives on my experiences

i hope you won't fall into trap of listening only to perspectives of the metaphysical side

Basically, imagine you're viewing (or hearing/receiving/we') stuff through a glass pane. Then imagine it breaking. You shouldn't imagine anything behind the glass, anything behind it'.

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i dont see it as pure telepathy in the traditional sense, its scientifically proven that our brain waves travel outside our brain and i think they can interact with other brains is all, the extent is rather minimal since their amplitude by that point will have greatly diminished compared to ue internal brain waves

it actually is proven the brain electromagnetic waves reach a few cm away from the skull and that's it

5:40 PM

all waves travel infinitely they just diminish in power (edited)

Fazzie

Basically, imagine you're viewing (or hearing/receiving/we') stuff through a glass pane. Then imagine it breaking. You shouldn't imagine anything behind the glass, anything behind it'.

I like to use that to make sure what I'm getting isn't just me imagining; if it's the same after the glass broke it's legit'

Obviously this is all speculation with zero scientific backing, but I find myself thinking about it often

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i hope you won't fall into trap of listening only to perspectives of the metaphysical side

Also, this. If something can be explained with science don't immediately rush to explain with occultism.

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i hope you won't fall into trap of listening only to perspectives of the metaphysical side

I'm a psychology student, the mundane explanation is easy to provide myself: 'It's a shared delusion with no factual basis, and your attempts to figure out information about the other system are simply playing the numbers game where if you try enough times, something's going to be correct, similar to scammers that pretend to channel the dead to get money from the bereaved'

5:42 PM

but through that lens, all of tulpamancy is simply self-imposed delusion, and that thought is one I simply won't accept

5:42 PM

it's too nihilistic for me XD

Also I'm saying this only because I say this to everyone who's getting into the occult: Do not trust anyone, be them irl, on discord, on a vision or when astral projecting or whatever you do, that tells you that you're a chosen one or a reincarnation of a god or w/e. It's a trap. Don't fall for it; you'd be either falling into delusion or into a cult.

as a psychology practitioner you would understand the traps you can fall into trying to figure out/help yourself. psychologists can't have therapy with themselves, they still need other people.

That's what I'm crowdsourcing here, Oki :P

therapy is just meant to close ur third eye, they give u prozac to fluoridate ur pineal gland

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therapy is just meant to close ur third eye, they give u prozac to fluoridate ur pineal gland

Absolutely no, don't believe this Flodos

5:44 PM

Do go to therapy if you have the need to

Flodos

but through that lens, all of tulpamancy is simply self-imposed delusion, and that thought is one I simply won't accept

i wouldn't say it's self imposed delusion. it's a practice of fluid identity and creativity

5:44 PM

it's interesting because tulpamancy is just whatever you interpret it as

Flodos

but through that lens, all of tulpamancy is simply self-imposed delusion, and that thought is one I simply won't accept

Is it really delusion if you and the tulpa both know they're imaginary?

if you expect yourself to be gateway system, you will have a system working like that

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therapy is just meant to close ur third eye, they give u prozac to fluoridate ur pineal gland

yeah nah hey. There's quacks in every discipline of course, but proper therapy is the process of resolving trauma's and broken ways of thinking in order to (re)enable personal growth and happiness

5:45 PM

but then again, it's my field of interest, so I'm biased there~

i was half trolling

Fazzie

Is it really delusion if you and the tulpa both know they're imaginary?

Not imaginary in a "you're not real" but in a "you don't have a physical body and is just a voice in my head" type of way

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therapy is just meant to close ur third eye, they give u prozac to fluoridate ur pineal gland

huh? what does that mean exactly? and why did you put prozac and therapy in the same sentence

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huh? what does that mean exactly? and why did you put prozac and therapy in the same sentence

/s

5:46 PM

/s for serious or sarkazm

That's a very late /s bruh.

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i was half trolling

The problem is that it's sometimes really hard for others to see if you're trolling or not. Especially for perfect strangers.

I agree with Mon here

Deleted User

The problem is that it's sometimes really hard for others to see if you're trolling or not. Especially for perfect strangers.

means im doing a good job

Specially on a chat like this it's hard to know if something is joking around a bad take or a legitimate opinion that someone has

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means im doing a good job

Welcome to chat disrupting team.

5:47 PM

No spamming. Spamming is posting repeated unnecessary, unconstructive, meaningless messages. Trolling falls under spam.

5:48 PM

@Chat Mod we have a proud troll here

I don't think that that's enough for a mod ping

i said only half troll, i meant something serious but i put it in a joking way, chill

5:48 PM

then half trolling or /s

5:48 PM

Ah I was just about to go out

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5:48 PM

whats going on, sorry I've been afk

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i said only half troll, i meant something serious but i put it in a joking way, chill

Are you pro or against therapy

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i was half trolling

Half? So what's the other half? ;p

Flodos

so early on in my time as a host, my first tup got into a relationship with a tup from another host. Me and the other host proxying let them have something akin to an LDR, but as anyone who's been there knows, LDR's fucking suck. They got restless and frustrated, and one day, after coordinating between me and the other host, Anne (my tup) ended up.. what I can only describe as 'visiting' his mind. Imma try to skip over most of the unprovable semantics, so long story short, they got into doing this regularly. It'd be an exhausting process for the tulpas, like a lungfish being out of water for an extended period of time, but they would sometimes come home with information I didn't know about the other system, things that I had no way of knowing. Never major bits, but enough for me to be, to this day, thoroughly confused on what was going on, because the information she gave, or that the other tulpa gave about her host while in my mind, was far more accurate than guesswork, yet not as accurate as normal memories. While there are plenty of spiritual ways to explain this, I'm wary of whole-hog explaining this in an unscientific, AKA unprovable, way.

The conclusion to my story is that, over time, the other host wanted out. He couldn't keep up the forcing and wasn't happy as a host. While every previous visit, we could feel that the tup's, eh, core, or soul (?) was still firmly with their host. It was a safety net, since we'd experienced tups not being able to cross from mind to mind unharmed or without getting lost, and that lifeline allowed us to recover them. The last time though, the other tulpa took it with her, and moved in to my system. That's how my second tup, Colgate, joined my mind

Fazzie

Are you pro or against therapy

i think therapy is useful for some people, i also think theres lots of quacks who will ruin ur life given the opportunity, thats all

that's a fair position tbh

Flodos

The conclusion to my story is that, over time, the other host wanted out. He couldn't keep up the forcing and wasn't happy as a host. While every previous visit, we could feel that the tup's, eh, core, or soul (?) was still firmly with their host. It was a safety net, since we'd experienced tups not being able to cross from mind to mind unharmed or without getting lost, and that lifeline allowed us to recover them. The last time though, the other tulpa took it with her, and moved in to my system. That's how my second tup, Colgate, joined my mind

That's, interesting for sure. There's a good chance you just ended making a tulpa based on them. Did the other host not have that tulpa on their system?

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i think therapy is useful for some people, i also think theres lots of quacks who will ruin ur life given the opportunity, thats all

Yeah that's fair. Specially in the USA; there's lots of bad therapists out there.

Fazzie

That's, interesting for sure. There's a good chance you just ended making a tulpa based on them. Did the other host not have that tulpa on their system?

she left his permanently and entered mine. I was worried for that specific scenario, and during my forcing, tried to make sure that wasn't what was going on

5:51 PM

I've had spontaneous or unconscious tups appear since, and such events were always preceded with a feeling of fullness, like something was waiting to enter my consciousness; this 'moving in' event did not have that

Did he stop talking with her before or after you told him that she was with you? Was it a "I couldn't talk with them this morning" or a "Now that you mention it I can't talk with them anymore"?

System hopping, welp. For me experience of people doing this stuff was a clue that tulpas are much more closer to ordinary imaginary friends than some people wish them to be.

I do agree with Mon here; while there might be some occultism going on to help the transition I do think it was mostly you creating a new tulpa based on her, with the occult phenomena helping not have too many differences and synchronize he not having her and you getting her.

5:54 PM

So would it be like creating a new body and transmitting the conciousness? Eh, maybe. I don't know there, it's up to debate to what extend they transferred over.

Fazzie

Did he stop talking with her before or after you told him that she was with you? Was it a "I couldn't talk with them this morning" or a "Now that you mention it I can't talk with them anymore"?

sadly, the process of having a tup visit was always coordinated; we'd make sure one person felt the tulpa leave and the other felt them arrive. Because, subjectively, we found tups getting lost in the process or arrive harmed, this felt like a required safety procedure, but objectively speaking, it removed any chance of blind verification if the tulpa still existed within the other host's mind (edited)

metaphysically maybe each tulpa has a blueprint and you rebuilt their tulpa?

Fazzie

So would it be like creating a new body and transmitting the conciousness? Eh, maybe. I don't know there, it's up to debate to what extend they transferred over.

something like this yes

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metaphysically maybe each tulpa has a blueprint and you rebuilt their tulpa?

I can see that being something along these lines. The wiring in the brain to have a tulpa was made by non-occult methods but it did help transfer "something", whatever that something is.

Flodos

sadly, the process of having a tup visit was always coordinated; we'd make sure one person felt the tulpa leave and the other felt them arrive. Because, subjectively, we found tups getting lost in the process or arrive harmed, this felt like a required safety procedure, but objectively speaking, it removed any chance of blind verification if the tulpa still existed within the other host's mind (edited)

That's fair, I can see the why.

What I find completely impossible is any direct information transfer during such a hopping.

5:56 PM

But regardless of it, experience can be quite immersive if you know each other well

That is true. It can be explained very rationally but it depends on how accurate these experiences were. I think it's on you to draw the line; the experience was yours, after all.

I find it interesting to see that the consensus seems to be 'yes, some information transfer is possible, but tulpa transfer isn't'. I expected it, but can't explain why I did XD

It's about scale.

5:59 PM

Transferring a thought is a much smaller feat than transferring a tulpa. Would I say tulpa transfer is impossible? I'd say if both are very good at occultism then it'd be certainly possible. But in a case like yours where y'all didn't knew very well what was happening I doubt it.

i think it is possible just difficult and there may be other factors and it may be an illusion, impossible to really tell. well maybe like u can see if the tulpa u recieved has all the memories they had with their old host? ones u shouldnt know about

Yeah probably.

so not impossible, but highly improbable? I agree with that myself I think. I'd be wonderful to get opinions on concepts like astral projection then, since I have a feeling that if tulpa transfer is real like it feels to me it is, it'd be quite similar to that

6:06 PM

but I have no experience with it myself

I have with it, to a limited extend'. It's p neat.

Transfer of thought is possible and easy, we do it through discord right now

Flodos

so not impossible, but highly improbable? I agree with that myself I think. I'd be wonderful to get opinions on concepts like astral projection then, since I have a feeling that if tulpa transfer is real like it feels to me it is, it'd be quite similar to that

what do u define as astral projection?

6:08 PM

just cause people take it to mean different things

Mon, are you a physicalist by any chance?

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Transfer of thought is possible and easy, we do it through discord right now

Do it via FB for real meta-physics

it does? I wouldn't know XD

But the problem is that the act of doing the system hopping isn't directly transferring much information. You can use the knowledge you obtained previously and confabulate a little to feel like it does though.

Flodos

Mon, are you a physicalist by any chance?

I think I am.

Deleted User

what do u define as astral projection?

Honestly I'll say it, to me it's just "people having their conciousness out of their body", a general catch-all for out of body experiences. I'm a chaos magick guy so I'm a bit more pragmatic and general when it comes to definitions like that hah'

6:11 PM

I'd similarly define "astral plane" as "any plane other than the physical"; everyone has their own definitions and what they have is what works for them. So I'm in a "Your definition is my definition" boat.

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I think I am.

I can see myself argue your positions when I take a physicalist stance to things, so I get where you're coming from. There's very little provable about tulpamancy, let alone the wild claims I put forward XD

okay i dig it, just cause ive heard people also use it for like getting up and walking around ur house in astral body without traveling to astral plane

6:13 PM

i personally think that dreams are often uncontrolled astral projections